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Tracy Kuhrt edited this page Feb 6, 2023 · 2 revisions

Recording

Agenda

  • ToIP Technology Architecture V1.0 spec and the launch of the ToIP Trust Spanning Protocol Task Force - Drummond Reed and Wenjing Chu

Discussion

Chat Log

11:02:52 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	https://trustoverip.org/blog/2023/01/05/the-toip-trust-spanning-protocol/
11:07:50 From Stavros Kounis to Everyone:
	Its Fabien 
11:08:03 From Stavros Kounis to Everyone:
	who has the mic open 
11:08:38 From Thomas Braad Perret-Gentil to Everyone:
	Sure, it’s recording
11:08:40 From Phillip Long (Georgetown, T3/LER Network) to Everyone:
	Done
11:13:12 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	The blog post I was just sharing is here: https://trustoverip.org/blog/2023/01/05/the-toip-trust-spanning-protocol/
11:14:00 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	The other documents I referenced are: 
	https://trustoverip.org/permalink/Introduction-to-ToIP-V2.0-2021-11-17.pdf 
	https://trustoverip.org/permalink/Design-Principles-for-the-ToIP-Stack-V1.0-2022-11-17.pdf 
	https://trustoverip.org/our-work/technical-architecture/
11:21:56 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	The requirements Wenjing is referring to are the 30 requirements in the ToIP Technology Architecture V1.0 Specification. They are summarized in Appendix A. https://trustoverip.org/our-work/technical-architecture/
11:29:00 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	That’s a good question for Wenjing RE this slide
11:30:47 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	Again, all the documents we are mentioning are linked from this ToIP blog post: https://trustoverip.org/blog/2023/01/05/the-toip-trust-spanning-protocol/
11:34:27 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	“Authenticity” in these slides is essentially establishment of cryptographic trust between the two devices. It does not address human trust — that is either addressed out of band (such as two people meeting F2F at a conference), or via a higher layer trust task such as exchange of verifiable credentials, or some other mechanism.
11:36:17 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	Anyone interested in joining the work on defining the Trust Spanning Protocol is welcome to join the Trust Spanning Protocol Task Force: https://wiki.trustoverip.org/display/HOME/Trust+Spanning+Protocol+Task+Force
11:41:19 From Tracy Kuhrt to Everyone:
	DIDComm is a topic that Sam Curren will be presenting at next week’s architecture task force.
11:41:29 From Thomas Braad Perret-Gentil to Everyone:
	Reacted to "DIDComm is a topic t..." with 👍
11:41:35 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	Excellent.
11:42:02 From Tracy Kuhrt to Everyone:
	And Hyperledger Aries the week after.
11:43:24 From Phillip Long (Georgetown, T3/LER Network) to Everyone:
	Is the B representing Bitcoin as a place to anchor public keys?
11:43:52 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	Yes
11:44:04 From Phillip Long (Georgetown, T3/LER Network) to Everyone:
	;-)  thanks
11:45:04 From Orie Steele to Everyone:
	Is KERI the future of DIDComm?
11:45:25 From Orie Steele to Everyone:
	Seems like KERI replaces DIDComm.
11:45:34 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	<smiling> That, Orie, is what we’ll be working out (or not) in the Trust Spanning Protocol Task Force
11:46:25 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	Sam Smith has joined Daniel Hardman, Wenjing, and I as co-leads of the Trust Spanning Protocol TF. We invite anyone interested in OWF to join. https://wiki.trustoverip.org/display/HOME/Trust+Spanning+Protocol+Task+Force
11:49:40 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	https://github.com/trustoverip/TechArch/blob/main/spec.md
11:49:45 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	https://wiki.trustoverip.org/display/HOME/Trust+Spanning+Protocol+Task+Force
11:49:51 From Matt Hallworth to Everyone:
	Did I understand correctly re: FIDO. Is OpenID + Verifiable credentials enough to implement Trust Spanning on top of a traditional FIDO design? 
11:52:13 From Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP) to Everyone:
	If you are interested in getting involved at ToIP please join as a contributor.  Learn about joining here: https://trustoverip.org/get-involved/membership/   Contributor level is free.  If you want to join as an individual, just select “Individual - No Account” when it asks for your organization.
11:52:28 From Matt Hallworth to Everyone:
	Thank you
11:53:31 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	Another way to put it is that the TSP is to establishing cryptographic trust between two endpoints what the IP protocol is to establishing data connectivity between two endpoints. As simple and universal as possible.
11:54:51 From Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP) to Everyone:
	In addition to the work being done on the creation of the TSP https://trustoverip.org/blog/2023/01/05/the-toip-trust-spanning-protocol/  There is also interesting discussion going on in our Trust Registries Task Force.
11:56:53 From Orie Steele to Everyone:
	Is this related to https://identity.foundation/trust-establishment/ ?
11:57:32 From Orie Steele to Everyone:
	Are both of these “standards” written exclusively at TOIP? Or is this DIF item related?
11:57:51 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	Yes. The DIF work on trust establishment has already formed a liaison with the ToIP Trust Registry Task Force.
11:58:04 From Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP) to Everyone:
	YES - Orie  the Trust Registries TF at ToIP is working with the DIF working groups.  The missions are slightly different, but we are staying aligned.
11:58:16 From Orie Steele to Everyone:
	Which organization maintains the “standard” that implementers would follow?
11:58:18 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	+1
11:59:01 From Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP) to Everyone:
	Orie, that’s a larger questions to answer than in a chat.
11:59:31 From Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP) to Everyone:
	DM me of Slack after and I can answer more fully.
12:00:15 From Drummond Reed to Everyone:
	Also, you might find this presentation from Sam Smith on the hourglass model fascinating: https://zoom.us/rec/share/rddaWi5PcDp_axmoLhK617WbmM3EWpFUBfX2GS4q_feuhhzn_Of9Yy0cSuS3IFFw.8DLf29JpSmCViVc0
12:00:54 From Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP) to Everyone:
	The short answer is our vision is that it would be a mutual standard.
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