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I see a big potential in Petite Vue. It could be a modern and very lightweight replacement for jQuery with syntax almost the same as Vue.js, encouraging progressive enhancement, ensuring good SEO, without a hassle with SSR or prerendering. Only in the week of 20-26.07 there were almost 10k downloads from npm, so it has some gain. @yyx990803 could you please continue to support it? |
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I have the same question. I used alpinejs before but finally switched to petitle-vue and loves it so much, but I'm a little bit worry about its future since I don't see any new changes since the last month. |
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In the exact situation, now my project has two "sprinkle" js libraries, alpine and petie-vue, I'm using alpine for any new pages added into the project until petite-view future is clear, I prefer 'mpa' over 'spa' and sprinkle type js is enough for mpa app. |
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A question I can answer! He released this "early", it was a proof of concept for Evan. It's completely his intention to support it - just not yet. He is focusing on some features for Vue first. |
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the proof of concept works so well, but if Evan has to focus on Vue, better leave this to Alpine |
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I can't really understand the need for Alpine or Vue Petite if standard Vue already has all the features already built in. Size cannot be a factor as these are all below 100Kb. With little effort (120 loc) I built my own version of Vue Petite. Used it for quite some while now. I've packaged the full Vue 2 experience into a small utility that can be useful for non-bundler projects, or for progressive enhancement in Evan's terms. Most simple example: <!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<script src="https://unpkg.com/[email protected]/dist/vue-hydrate-bundle.js"></script>
</head>
<body>
<div v-data="{message: 'It works.'}">
<span>{{ message }} </span>
</div>
</body>
</html> |
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Cool, but it looks like a clone of Petite Vue. What's the advantage of Vue Hydrate? As for Vue vs Petite Vue, the former is full-blown and does not provide progressive enhancement without prerendering or SSR. The latter fits elegantly if you want to sprinkle some interactions on a static HTML web page. |
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I'm back to coding after six months absent! As a 'occasional' developer, I have programs developed many many years ago, and never update it until several years later, with those old languages and tools(delphi/java), I can easily back to the development mode and be productive again, with the new SPA tools like Angular/Vue, if I do not use it everyday and get back to the code half year later, I am a total newbie, I have to re-learn so many concepts before I can start coding, this usually take quite a while, longer than learning vue/angular as you have a whole project to review with your 'newly learned' knowledge and admire yourself for creative way of implementing this and that features that seems totally new now to yourself. with petie-vue, it took a very short time to 're-learn', maybe one day, and I'm back to development mode, start to update the program. that's the reason I like petie-vew or alphinejs, usually projects with petie-vue are MPA, backend is expressjs or java, which are easier to manage. that's my experience with petie-vue/alphine, of course for full stack developers you code everyday, you don't have issues like this, so a vuejs offers more features for you to utilize. |
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@niutech, I think having the same API may be advantageous. Say one day you want to move your code to SPA then little has to be done - it all works the same. And more obvious Vue hydrate supports everything Vue does like transitions, components etc which Vue petite does not. I have used Vue hydrate in private capacity long ago - before Vue petite - and later published it to NPM to address the issue of just sprinkle interactivity on statically served pages. And it worked great as an alternative to JQuery and others. I'm somewhat surprised that we didn't see more usages of Vue template compiler being shipped to the browser to enable this. I guess alpine is great, definitely not original, but Vue already contained everything alpine has. |
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The question is indeed valid. Is this project abandoned? |
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i don't think it's abandoned, the amazing part of this project is, it's so small, it just works, does not require too much learning and improvements. |
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the doc says : Driven by @vue/reactivity, and the latter also being used by Alpinejs and vue. |
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Well.. if you just look at this repository: the dates of commit and the presence of developers on this discussion area — the project seems abandoned. Obviously vue/reactivity is not abandoned, but that's just dependency. |
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right, almost six months and commits are not merged, but it also means the project just works without too many frequent updates. |
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Seems so. However, people are reluctant to switch to a project whose future is unclear. Just like you said above
Also: there are quite many bugs and open issues on this repository. |
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after v0.4.0, I do not encounter bugs, have been using it since then |
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I compared petite-vue and alpinejs and decided to play with petite-vue because of size and syntax... |
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I guess that it is maintained within the scope of what's described in https://github.com/vuejs/petite-vue#status. So that would mean:
I'm still investing in petite-vue vs Alpine because of the orientation of the project being progressive enhancement vs a replacement for jquery and a companion to SSR rendering framework like Livewire. To be fair, Alpine can do progressive enhancement just as well, but the bundle size is getting bloated these days. Plus, I like that the syntax will be kept as close as possible to Vue. |
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The doc in vuejs.org mentions petite-vue as part of vue ecosystem, I do not see why petite-vue is not being maintained, it might not have frequent updates, but it does not have any major issues anyway: Vue also provides an alternative distribution called petite-vue that is specifically optimized for progressively enhancing existing HTML. It has a smaller feature set, but is extremely lightweight and uses an implementation that is more efficient in no-build-step scenarios. |
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The docs state this is still a part of the ecosystem so hopefully it's going to be maintained 🙏 |
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Yeah, also the neovim volar extension have support for petite-vue 🎉 |
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even just merging a simple pull request is enough to let us know it is still being maintained. |
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A couple of thoughts: some of the relevant code powering petite-vue is in @vue/reactivity so we know for sure that will continue to get attention. Also, I've skimmed through a lot of the code of petite-vue proper, and it's remarkably concise and straightforward (kudos to @yyx990803 et al.!). So even on the slim chance that year(s) from now nobody's updating this repo, I'm not too concerned about a community-maintained fork picking up the slack. I'm currently working on a library to embed petite-vue into custom elements for a nice marriage of web components with reactive HTML, so if need be I'm fine with building petite-vue and shipping it directly with the library. But obviously I'd prefer to see petite-vue continue to receive official updates and version bumps, even if just for a bug fix here and there. |
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Speaking of building. I've cloned and can rebuild the typescript...but how to I build the project so that it creates the same 'single IIFE file' found at https://unpkg.com/[email protected]/dist/petite-vue.iife.js? |
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Figured out |
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pvue works without any update almost a year! |
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to @yyx990803, just merge a commit will do, this version number seems good, always forgot what version I'm in: feat: add version display #128 let's start 2023 with a up to date Pettie-vue:) |
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Interesting numbers: Petite-vue: AlpineJS: Petie-vue has almost no update in the year, but still works. However latest commit 11months vs 4 days really not encouraging for any new projects coming. |
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why do you expect a project to constantly have commits? Good things don't need changes |
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There recently was a Q&A on the VueLand Discord, where Evan answered a question regarding Figured it was relevant to this discussion.
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I have the same concern if petite-vue has been abandoned. I planned to build a headless ui library on petite-vue, just like I've done for alpinejs, Vimesh Headless. Current petite-vue need more improvements for serious web application. Anyway, do not just stop it. |
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Is Today I'm facing a problem in enterprise web apps that should be nice to have a light framework like this one, but it looks kind of dead, with the latest update more than one year and a half ago. I'm already a "full Vue.js" lover, but comparing For exemple, AlpineJS and Solid are up and running with active development and receiving recent updates. |
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There are updated forks of Petite Vue: Pico Vue (with plugins) and Petite Vue Pro (with $watch). |
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I've been using it absolutely fine for sometime now. Apart from missing the watch command, I haven't had much trouble porting most of my components across from the full framework. It also has a few benefits for me, inline templates (removed in Vue 3) is great for server-side rendering and the fact you can have multiple instances of v-scope (including nesting them) is essential for my application. The fact it hasn't been updated for sometime doesn't bother me as it's driven by @vue/reactivity and I've not encountered any bugs. |
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It is amazing how solid the core is. I'm looking at extending but not sure everyone would need the "plugins" so no point forking it. |
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I think petite-vue really relevant for the same use case you'd use JQuery or Alpine. The fact there is no "updates" seem to me because at this time it's feature complete and you can use it as is |
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I've been a fan of this little library. Saw it mentioned a few years ago, and its nice how out of the box and familiar it feels. Would be a shame to see it die. |
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I don't think it's going to die |
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it works very well after two years without any update, maybe it's time to release it as version 1.0? |
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@sqllyw First @yyx990803 please merge bug fixing PRs before releasing version 1.0. |
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Yes, please consider the PRs & please enable |
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I just figured out that maybe petite-vue is not necessary anymore. |
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How are you using Solidjs without a build step? Doesn't it use JSX? |
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There is solid-web.js, but it is 49KB minified, compared with just 16KB minified petite-vue. |
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view-source:https://yangzhaox.github.io/solid-web/ don't think this is solving the same problem Petite Vue is. |
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True, Solid.js doesn't provide progressive enhancement and it is not a good alternative for Petite Vue, I was just pointing out that it is theoretically possible to run Solid.js without a build step. |
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It is not theoretically. Did you guys read the example in the main official page? |
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last update was 2022-01-18, 0.41, looks like not any update in 2023? |
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I don't there is need for an update as the scope for petite-vue is pretty much covered as it is. |
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That reminded me of Linux servers in the early years of 2000, a server can be up in one or two years without rebooting, Petie-vue is in that category:) |
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Without rebooting and with no security updates or bug fixes, running with security issues for 2 years. |
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that's the good old days, once configured and up, no need to touch |
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To have bug fixes implemented? Moreover, the api is missing some key
features.
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So when author comeback to this project? |
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I'm doubtful about author coming back |
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I just wish he considered the PRs, opened up Issues & started a specific channel for PV in their discord. This is the least he can do! |
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In the meantime I'd invite to check out sprae. |
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I recommend checking out alpineJs as well |
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Have tried AlpineJS. But there is a killer feature for PV: Components. I have been working on some interesting components and workflow styles in the past month and is gearing up to a release, will show what PV can actually do! |
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@meirlamdan AlpineJS is 43KB minified and Petite Vue is 16KB minified, so they're not in the same category. Full Vue is 40KB minified, so it is on par with AlpineJS. |
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@niutech pssst sprae is 9kb minified, and fastest in class |
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finally petite-vue reached 9k stars despite almost three years no update! |
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Wish they atleast opened up the issues.On 29 Jul 2024, at 4:49 AM, sqllyw ***@***.***> wrote:
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agreed, actually no need to do anything, just merge those pull requests . |
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Yes! I am wondering, whether a fork would be possible. I can’t believe this is only being by a hand full of people.On 30 Jul 2024, at 4:33 AM, sqllyw ***@***.***> wrote:
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there are some bugs that would need addressing i wish the makers came back? i mean, felt so liberated when i swithced to petite vue from full vue and react. the speed, no bundling, rapid prototyping and fully sufficient for simpler frontend |
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Absolutely!!! I am not going back at all. I am even willing to work on this in production with bugs compared to the previous React bundling workflow. I simply can't. |
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In the meantime, you can use a more up-to-date fork of Petite Vue, like Pico Vue or We-Make-Websites' fork. |
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Thanks! Pico Vue looks nice. I wish it was just merged into the main one. |
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thanks for the tip, however, from the commits it looks like the the forks haven't gotten much momentum, they have 1/2 semi-active developers each and there's not much of a progress done i wish some fork has gained traction and/or publicity, as these forks seem like rather obscure inactive forks |
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Do you know what? |
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I was telling my team exactly this jokingly...! But wait! |
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very likely, browsers nowadays have more features, what needed is this 'reactivity' which petite-view fits well, then again, the Signal Proposal (in stage 1 now) in the TC39 (https://github.com/tc39/proposal-signals) might take this place too once approved, that's the day framework less? |
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Great! I just wish PV just matured to 1.0 and just remained there. A very set of features and a few issues needs to be solved for it to be the go to tool. |
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It's really unfortunate that there is no update from the author @yyx990803 on the status of this project. If it has been decided not to continue with it, at least let us know. |
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He has mentioned that he considers the project "done"/"feature complete": He also talked about it in a recent Podcast: |
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But what about the issues? |
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Yeah, he could at least accept pull requests and address the bugs |
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Hi,
did not see any update in a month, what's the direction of this framework?
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