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Can sandbox mode be played continually in the background? #324
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Without any input, just to see things (evolve) and progress? I ask, because I left the game running over night and each colony was left with 1-2 people and everyone else died (playing github version). Is this just a normal thing of living on Mars? |
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No there is a bug in the Airlock logic #305 which means Settlers randomly get stuck. |
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Sadly not, first of all because of the bug mentioned, but also the Settler intelligence isn't that far already to care about their own survival. But yes, that is also the preferred test case for me: Starting MSP in the morning and check at lunch how far it came. I also hope that it would eventually be able to run for a full martian year again. |
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Currently, the airlock bug is the show-stopper. Besides fixing this bug, another crucial thing I can think of is re-enabling the ability of settlers' enduring effort of expanding the human settlement. To do so, we will need to fix the bug in starting the mission of setting new foundations and framing new buildings. Feel free to add anything you may have observed. |
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I just found out a person can get stuck at the pre-breathing phase of egressing an vehicular airlock while on a mission out there somewhere.
Fixing it now. |
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Thank you again. I am running th console(remote) version of the sim so I miss out on a lot of the GUI tools. I like the "automation" of the colony just to see what happens. However I would also enjoy being able to have more input. Maybe that is possible with the GUI version, im not sure. |
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Why would colonists die while doing maintenance? |
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Ah, I can see the death reporting is incomplete. I suspect that for some reasons they are unable to come back in via the airlock and get stuck during ingress. I'll modify Then I'll compile a new jar for you to test run it. |
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Btw, the cause of death won't be determined until after the body is retrieved and another person will perform a post-mortem exam. When this exam is done, it will post any underlining medical issue (if available). |
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Thank you! I will be happy to try out a new build! If everyone in the
colony is dead, can I force someone from another settlement to go and
retrieve the bodies? Or is there any other way to do that?
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Btw, the cause of death won't be determined until after the body is
retrieved and another person will perform a post-mortem exam.
When this exam is done, it will post the medical cause of death (if
available).
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We haven't considered this particular case yet. It may or may not be realistic if the nearest settlement is over 1000 km one-way. By the time a rover arrives, it would be run out of fuel. There's no guarantee that there's any methanol (used by rovers) left in that settlement to replenish. But I suppose if a settlement is on the verge of collapse, it will ask for the sponsoring agency for help. Then it's possible that an international rescue effort be cemented... So feel free to join in other discussions such as this with regard to what political and diplomatic relationship to model among the sponsors, among the nation states, and among the settlements, etc. |
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Yes, that makes sense about the distance. I think in my example it would be more of a recovery as opposed to a rescue. Maybe something could be added where as a final action, the colonists can activate an emergency beacon. Like if they know they are stuck and running out of oxygent, etc. Maybe a different settlement could detect it and if they couldnt do anything else maybe they could relay the details back to earth. Just throwing out ideas. :) |
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Sure. Rovers already have emergency beacon and await for rescue. I suppose there's very little wiggle room for anyone to do anything or go anywhere if accidents happen and/or food or oxygen runs out. We could in future model the idea of the airlift. We added cargo drones in this ticket. A remotely piloted, two-seater transport Passenger Drone could become the best hope for ferrying settlers quickly from settlement to settlement. |
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This is from the same run as the other colony where everyone is dead. The simulation has been running for about 2 real time days now. I found this when I checked on them today... |
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Looks like we'll need to look at the general health of this settlement. May be it ran out of oxygen, food, or water ? Ideally speaking, if they knows the settlement is doomed, they won't do anything that's inconsequential. They may be writing emails or connecting with people on earth when the resources run out... We could deepen these aspects of simulation in a more realistic manner (but not becoming a pessimist for going to Mars :D) . |
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It looks like I will need to restart. I checked the other colonies and
everyone is dead. I guess the sim has essentially ended at this point. .
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Looks like we'll need to look at the general health of this settlement.
May be it ran out of oxygen, food, or water ?
Ideally speaking, if they knows the settlement is doomed, they won't do
anything that's inconsequential. They may be writing emails or connecting
with people on earth when the resources run out... We could deepen these
aspects of simulation in a more realistic manner (but not becoming a
pessimist for going to Mars :D) .
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@IBuildVans @CoffeeAddictAnonymous We'll be releasing 3.7.0 soon. Settlers can survive much longer now. In 2 of my simulations I tested the other day, they go beyond 60-80 sols without major issues that would require my intervention. |
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Awesome, thanks for the update! I will absolutely try out 3.7.0 when it
is ready!
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We'll be releasing 3.7.0 soon. Settlers can survive much longer now.
In 2 of my simulations I tested the other day, they go beyond 60-80 sols
without major issues that would require my intervention.
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No there is a bug in the Airlock logic #305 which means Settlers randomly get stuck.