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sensitive counts not visible for recorder on website, also not in admin download #691
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@johnvanbreda probably some reports need tweaking. We set |
@johnvanbreda I hope this issue can be solved (I hope it is just a simple change of a few queries) as we need the sensitive data too. Not sure how much it has been used, but most likely sensitive sites contain rare and threatened species, just what we need the 15 min counts for. |
I've changed the required configuration so that the private samples should now be visible. For the occurrences, they are ready, for the samples it may take another hour to update. Also note that the samples I could find for Irma were indexed in France so won't appear on your scheme download. Please close if OK. |
@johnvanbreda Thanks. I have access to all 15 min counts via download. I think we are almost there.
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@johnvanbreda We also discovered that sensitive species are not included in personal downloads by recorders (so a recorder does a 15 min count, sees a species marked as sensitive, and this does not show up in the download). |
If possible, this problem needs to be solved immediately. The sensitive species have finally started to appear and need to be recorded. We need the data quite fast. Thanks in advance for working on this problem
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@johnvanbreda<https://github.com/johnvanbreda> We also discovered that sensitive species are not included in personal downloads by recorders (so a recorder does a 15 min count, sees a species marked as sensitive, and this does not show up in the download).
@DavidRoy<https://github.com/DavidRoy> This influences our professional work. Let me know if this cannot be fixed soon, because then we have to find another way (or back to paper). We started relying on the app.
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Am working on this now... |
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FYI there is a need to populate the private samples into the Elasticsearch to make them available for reporting - this is running now but will take a few hours to complete. |
Thanks! You make my students very happy, and me as well! I will test it tomorrow.
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Hi, I tested it yesterday and today again. The 15 min counts with sensitive species are still not visible on the website, but I found them in the downloads (and they are visible on my cell phone). Is it possible to also make them visible on the website?
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Thanks! You make my students very happy, and me as well! I will test it tomorrow.
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Hi @Irmawyn - please can you let me know which page you are expecting to see them on the website? Do you mean https://butterfly-monitoring.net/mydata/samples or somewhere else? |
Hi @john van Breda! I mean exactly that page on the website!
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Hi @Irmawyn - thanks for confirming. Can you try again please - I think it should be OK now? |
Hi John!
Sorry for answering so late, I was abroad for field work.
Yes, it works! Thank you so much for fixing this problem, my students and me are happy!
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Thanks for confirming |
@johnvanbreda @DavidRoy |
@johnvanbreda can you pick this one up? |
@DavidRoy will do. |
Hi @chrisvanswaay, I've just created a test download page which points to your API endpoint (user NLD) and downloaded the records since the 28th. The data file I received did contain an example record I was looking for (37477231) - are you certain that you didn't receive this record? Is it possible to try again? |
Indeed I can see this one on the webpage, but I'm sure all the P teleius were left out of the API download yesterday. I will have a look and come back. |
@johnvanbreda Is there a caching delay with sensitive species such as this? |
@DavidRoy there is normally a short delay while data are transferred to Elasticsearch - allowing for all the various indexing that goes on, typically 30 minutes would cover everything assuming no server backlog at the time. The sensitive records are done on a separate feed to other records so there is a possibility of one set arriving before the other, but both should be within this timeframe. I'm not aware of any backlogs over the last few days. |
@johnvanbreda @DavidRoy I fear this will have to wait till Monday when my colleague is back, at the moment I can't seem to get proper data, but this might also be my fault. Sorry for the delay. |
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Last Sunday (9 June) Irma Wynhoff did five counts, and marked one of them as sensitive. She uploaded all of them, and this is what the situation is now:
I don't think this is a righ way of dealing with sensive records. Sensitive records should be:
This is also important for my colleages at Vlinderstichting, as we have marked some visits as sensitive, but now it means we cannot get to them anymore. That makes 15min counts useless for our professional work.
I haven't tested how this works for the api.
If you agree to my interpretation of sensitive counts, could this please be corrected. And if not, then we might discuss how sensitive records should be treated.
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